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@Christians like West Virginia Pentecostal Holiness Snake Handler
Ordained Pastor Charles Manson.
AP Photo, File
A man of many narratives.
THE STORY OF A MURDERER
All the ways we’ve tried to fit Charles Manson into a
convenient narrative
Investigative reporter Satan. Sociopath. Psychopath.
Narcissist. Eco-warrior. Opportunist. Manipulator. White
supremacist. Misogynist. Executioner of hippie culture.
Embodiment of evil. These are just some of the ways
Charles Manson, the notorious 1960s killer and cult
leader, has been described in the countless obituaries
published since his death at 83 on Nov. 19.
Manson died unrepentant and incorrigible, and his passing
will likely intensify America’s decades-long fascination
with its most famous mass killing. But while the Manson
murders have many irresistible elements—drugs, sex,
celebrity, brainwashing—a big part of Manson’s undying
legacy is the versatility of his own story. He is
whatever you want him to be; he defies many narratives,
and yet fits so many. In fact, no one put it better than
the man himself (with a healthy dose of his signature
manipulation): ”I am just a mirror,” Manson said
several times in a 1970 interview
with Rolling Stone. “Anything you see in me is you.”
Evil or human?
“The name Manson has become a metaphor for evil, and
there’s a side of human nature that’s fascinated by pure
unalloyed evil,” Vincent Bugliosi once said. Bugliosi, the
prosecutor on Manson’s case, authored the definitive
account of the murders, 1974’s Helter Skelter.
The Associated Press obituary of Manson
features the word “evil” three times, including one
description of Manson’s image as the “personification of
evil.” Linda Kasabian, one of Manson’s disciples and the
prosecution’s star witness, also famously called Manson
“the devil” in her testimony. Understandable, considering
he managed to conjure a murderous frenzy in his
followers that left an 8.5-month pregnant woman dead of 16
stab wounds.
Others see Manson as more of a product of his
circumstances: a tragic childhood, a neglectful teen
mother, relatives who tortured him, and a
juvenile-detention system that spat him out abused.
“Manson, though, was no devil but a human being, as his
death makes clear,” David A. Ulin writes at The Los Angeles Times. ”I don’t say that to soften or absolve him. But I
don’t believe in demons; people are frightening enough.
Indeed, to accept Manson as a person, to see him through
the filter of his humanity, is to acknowledge what we
resist: that he was perhaps not so utterly different from
the rest of us.”
A product of a culture—and its executioner
Personal biography aside, Manson is also widely seen as a
product of his era. He wore his hair long, was obsessed
with The Beatles, and hung out with one of the Beach Boys.
Manson’s disciples were drifters who started a commune,
where drugs flowed freely and sex was unconstrained. “For
many, the Manson episode validated their fears of the
counterculture movement,”
writes David Smith, a physician who treated the Manson family, in the
Washington Post. Smith says San Francisco’s “Summer of
Love” and embrace of drugs wrought Manson.
But Manson also took advantage of that culture, perverting
it to suit his ideas—perhaps this is why he’s also
credited with killing the era he came out of. As Joan
Didion wrote in her essay “The White Album,” no one was
surprised after hearing the news of the murders. “The
tension broke that day,” she wrote. “The paranoia was
fulfilled.”
Eco-warrior and white supremacist
Manson obits from both sides of the political spectrum
proffered still more narratives—that of a leftwing
nut job, and that of a white supremacist. Infowars
reminded
the world that Manson “embraced environmentalism as a
justification for his insane actions” and claimed that his
preachings about annihilating humanity for the sake of the
natural world have been “adopted by the far-left.” (It’s
true that Manson spoke about his climate change beliefs
several times. In 2011, he even gave an interview to the Spanish edition of Vanity Fair, in which he
warned of melting polar caps.)
Breitbart devoted a whole section
of its obituary
to Manson’s connection with militant leftist group The
Weather Underground, and Geraldo Rivera, who conducted an
“epic” (his word) interview with Manson in 1988,
wrote that
Manson was “more popular than Che or Mao….a charismatic
snake charmer, an articulate, eco-friendly homicidal
maniac who was part Jim Jones and part Adolf Hitler.”
Meanwhile, multiple mainstream, left-leaning or
minority-focused
publications zeroed in on another, opposing interpretation
of Manson’s politics: He was a
white supremacist
who wanted to wage a race war.
“Mr. Manson was not the end point of the
counterculture,” Baynard Woods
writes at The New York Times (paywall). “If anything, he was a backlash against
the civil rights movement and a harbinger of white
supremacist race warriors like Dylann Roof, the lunatic
fringe of the alt-right.”
These narratives often seem to be mutually exclusive, but
Manson is a universal villain: Suggestions that Manson was
embraced by some members of the counterculture
are not without merit, nor are assertions that he used race to sow
conflict.
America’s patient and entertainer
Described as everything from “wild-eyed” to demonic,
Manson seems to demand psychological diagnosis. After
all, a “crazy” murderer is more comforting than one
who is a rational actor, opportunist, and master
manipulator. (Or, as Vox put it, “an average narcissist who practiced social engineering
and learned to use the bodies of willing women around him
as a bargaining tool.”) In this way, Manson helped
usher in an era of fascination with true crime and serial
killers, psychoanalysis of whom still provides endless entertainment.
In 2012, Gawker’s Rich Juzwiak even suggested
that Manson’s entertainment value could be seen as a
redeeming quality. “The world would have been a better
place without Manson,” he wrote, “but since he had to exist, his roles as the nutjob to
end all nutjobs can be read as something like
compensation.” Juzwiak called Manson a “very contemporary
celebrity.”
Indeed, our continuing fascination with Manson, whose list
of victims is much shorter than most mass killers today,
is perhaps most enabled by our cultural obsession with
celebrity. “Reality TV and general cultural narcissism
have conditioned us to appreciate characters (especially
villains) and, man, is that guy a character,” Juzwiak
wrote. Or as Manson himself said: “You’re creating a
legend, you’re creating a beast, you’re creating whatever
you are judging yourselves with into the word Manson.”
From a CHRISTERN WEB PAGE---You can SEE how AMERICA is a PAGAN SATANIST DEVIL WORSHIP CULT NAZI FOOL'S Nation.
Was Charles Manson one of the first eco-warriors?
CHRISTERNS ARE REALLY INSANE FOOLS
By Bard of Ely
The truth about Charles Manson
Charles
Manson is portrayed by the mainstream media as a serial killer and
dangerous madman. Marilyn Manson picked up on this idea and used the
surname to create and boost his own image as a shock-rocker. But not
everyone believes that Charles Manson is as he has been depicted.
Manson
has many supporters and friends who do not believe the media's version.
For me, Charles Manson is a philosopher, visionary and
environmentalist, and was possibly the first eco-warrrior. I know I can
identify with very much he says and find a great deal of wisdom in his
words.
Now I realise that many people out there feel he
is a ¨monster", a "psychopath" and a "Satanist" (there are many types!),
and I have heard all these labels applied but over the course of many
years I have spent countless hours watching videos with him in, reading
his words and about him, and I do not accept that this widely held
public opinion is the right one. I used to have cassettes of his songs
too. Perhaps I am biased because I am a singer-songwriter too and was
impressed with his songs? Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys thought very
highly of his abiity as a singer-songwriter and musician.
Perhaps
I am biased because I care about nature and the environment
passionately and know that Manson does too but I don't think it is as
simple as that. The fact that he is an outspoken environmentalist is
always left out of the majority of discussions about him in the media.
Now why would that be?
Am I going to get into the
argument about the murders and Manson's guilt or innocence? Not really,
because I wish to focus on him as an environmentalist. That is what this
article is about - Charles Manson the eco-warrior!
Charles Manson
Air Trees Water Animals - ATWA
Charles
Manson's views on what life is all about are encompassed in his idea of
ATWA, which stands for Air, Trees, Water and Animals or "All The Way
Alive". He argues that without air we all die, as do all animals.
Trees
are the lungs of the planet and keep the air as it should be but people
are destructively destroying the forests at an alarming scale. Water,
which makes up a large part of out bodies and is essential for life, is
running out in many places and is often polluted with toxins in others.
Animals
are the amazing living beings we share this planet with as a home but
many species are becoming extinct and countless animals are murdered and
cruelly abused by humans on a daily basis. Billions of people have lost
their respect for trees and animals, or else they would not be behaving
as they are doing.
In a conversation dated 6 July 2002,
Manson said: "The only food the trees need is water and we are killing
that too. Do you understand that by killing the water the air goes with
it by way of the tree and so do we one way or another brother, we will
stop."
It is obvious to me that what he says is true. It
is common sense but strangely so many people seem unaware of what is so
obvious, or worse, they do know but do not care!
The Kogi
mamos on their sacred mountain home of the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta
have said much the same. They are extremely worried that there is no
snow high on the mountain peaks where it should be. The snow and ice and
clouds around the mountains create water for lower down and if there is
no snow, no ice and no clouds there can be no water. Without water all
will die. It is that simple.
Manson has said that the
"Air is God" and "Ecology is God." Without air we all die, without a
balanced ecosystem animals and plants are dying out and many people are
worried about the future of the human race. We cannot keep on destroying
nature and waging war against the planet!
You can read many quotes from Charles Manson about ecology and life here: http://www.atwa.be/mansononatwa.html
The media has lied to you about Charles Manson
Arrested for arson
In
the Wikipedia entry for ATWA it is explained that Charles Manson was
arrested in December 1969, not for murder, but for arson because he had
set fire to a Michigan Loader earth-moving vehicle. This was an attempt
to stop road construction in the Death Valley area where he and his
group were at the time.
The term eco-warrior was to be
coined many years after this, and has been used to describe
environmentalist protesters who take direct action to help ensure the
safety of the land and natural habitats. Some eco-warriors have engaged
in damaging property that belongs to firms that are destroying forests
or building roads.
Eco-warriors often end up in court
cases. Charles Manson was arrested for arson originally, but he was held
and charged with conspiracy to commit murders and it was this that he
was convicted of and made the headlines with not his environmental
activism.
Whilst many people in today's 'Green Movement'
might not like the idea of having Manson held up as a representative of
their beliefs because of the reputation he has had as a killer, what he
has said about the Air, Trees, water and Animals is clearly the truth!
Steve Andrews. All Charles Manson Slinks
* Charles Manson Breaks 20-Year Silence, Warns Of Global Warming
Charles
Manson, the notorious nigger hate cult leader, has broken his 20-year
silence, and is speaking out about global warming. Manson, now 76 years
old, was accused of brainwashing members of his commune known The Manson
Family."
System of a Down or SOAD, as
they are also known, are a hard-rock band from Southern California with
all of the members being Armenian-Islamic Eco-Terrorist Illegal Aliens
in the Americans. The group are known for being very outspoken and for
dealing with controversial subjects in their work and lyrics.
System of a Down paid tribute to Charles Manson and his ideas with their song Atwa from their album Toxicity.
Answers from Fellow 'Christerns' about Making Charles Manson into a Green Hero
'Concern for the environment' was only one ruse that
Chuck used to lure followers to carry out his violent fantasies. The
swastika on his forehead says it all. (I know... that was just theater
too.)
The Rising Glory pussygalore
Deception is rampant in the USA. While everyone can have their personal beliefs about anything, believing a lie is still a lie.
Charles
Manson lives about 30 miles from my home. I personally know guards who
have had his security detail. The man is a nutcase through and through.
Karen Nigger lover race traitor
To me everything else is over-shadowed by what he did.
While he may not have committed the murders himself, he was the one in charge and his followers were carrying out his orders.
In
my opinion the man is insane and is incapable of loving anything except
maybe himself. A psychopath is very skilled at manipulating people and
telling them just what they want to hear in order to exert his control
over them.
As I said I was expecting comments
like yours! You are a typical dumb bitch. You should just SHUT UP AND
DIE! The swastika is an ancient symbol of the sun and used by many other
cultures and religions before it got its comparatively recent current
sinister image. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Alternative Prime profile image
Charles
Manson is not the mysterious, mystical, borderline genius/madman who
could control the universe with a simple wave of his hand the media
always seems to portray him as, quite the contrary. With only snippets
of vintage pre-prison film footage and or brief sanitized interviews
conducted while incarcerated after conviction to reference, it's fairly
easy even for the non professional psycho analyzer to evaluate and
render an accurate diagnosis of his stable yet diabolical mental
condition.
Charles Manson was essentially a
disenfranchised musician who wanted nothing more than to be placed upon
an artistic pedestal along side his idols and true artistic legends such
as the Beatles, who, after being denied this accolade, ultimately took
his frustration out on society while trying to excuse or mitigate the
significance of his atrocities by placing blame on his apparent
dysfunctional upbringing.
The distance between his
distorted mind and genius is the equivalent of the number of light years
between Planet Earth and our possible origins over in Zeta Reticuli,
which is quite far the last time I personally measured. However, he was
endowed with age and charisma as advantages over his younger immature
congregation which can, and did unfortunately, turn out to be a powerful
set of tools as he pursued his manipulative purpose.
Eco
Warrior? Everyone who is convicted of a crime repents and is
miraculously transformed into a man or woman of divine purpose, the
"Mantra" he decided to conveniently adopt was "Environmental Advocate".
His brief liaisons with activism prior to conviction were in my opinion,
something to bring along with him to jail after sentencing.
Intriguing Piece - Thanks For Publishing -
- Alternative Prime -
AmyGoodman profile; Founder & CEO; DemocracyNOW!
AmyGoodman Level 4 Commenter 7 months ago
The
Swastika is an ancient sun symbol, this is true. Manson also believed
that groups like the Black Panthers were the start of huge race war that
black people were going to initiate against white people. Whether
Manson carved a swastiki into his forehead to show sympathy with
Hinduism or nazi mysticism, or for some other reason can only be guessed
at.
His eco ideas are just part of a bigger, grand
theory that he had, according to his followers and himself. Whether you
can accept parts of his grand theory and reject other parts, such as his
profound racism, his belief in the inferiority of women, and
apocalyptic paranoia is questionable. The green ideas are certainly more
palatable than some of his other ideas.
Manson is clever
in terms of manipulation and people skills and has charisma, but he is
hardly an intellectual heavyweight. I genuinely find it hard to
understand what was or is uniquely "visionary" about him.
I
think Manson did a profound discredit to the eco movement. He was the
hippy from hell, a gift to rightwing politicians and people who oppose
Green ideals.
I have known modern eco-warriors, such as
Earth First. They are generally responsible people with a sense of moral
obligation. I am uncomfortable with the idea of you linking Manson with
them.
Bard of Ely professional Green Eco-Nazi Terrorist
Bard of Ely; Manson Green Hero defender Author
In
my opinion the best way of knowing what Manson's ideas are is not from
the media and not from books but from what he says and from what his
supporters have said about him. I admit I have heard him speak of women
in an inferior way and I cannot agree with him on that at all! With
regard to what he says about ecology and the planet I have no
disagreement with any of it. He is right: we depend on the air, on trees
and water. If we destroy them we die as do the animals.
I
agree with your right to believe and feel what ever you like, and I
support that. The only real research I personally have done on Manson
was to read Helter Skelter, and I read it when I was too young to
understand "spin". There was a scene described therein about an acid
party and how it turned into an orgy, then suicide. Although I know that
the swastika was used as a cardinal symbol, I cannot educate the public
to believe it was anything but a symbol relating to the Nazis. Just as
the Confederate flag is not offensive to me, it is to the black
community. Manson is the epitome of what put an end to the hippy
culture, good or bad.
I think you did a good thing by
stirring up peoples feelings about this subject; that's what we are
called to do sometimes as writers. But I also feel like you walked into a
room of holocaust survivors wearing the uniform, waving the flag, and
singing the praises of Hitler. Might as well be a black rapper with his
pants down so he can't run with his arm around a white blond girl at a
KKK rally. I feel a lynching coming on, and I'll do what I can to stand
by your right to have an opinion, but I'm sorry, I think that's where I
draw the line. I would have chosen a better role model to support the
fight for ecology.
You are right about the sort
of reaction this is getting as can be seen from the comments here and
also at Facebook where I have shared the link. Just because a load of
people believe something that has been pushed as the correct version of
anything doesn't mean it is true but merely that it has been pushed that
well that it has become accepted. You could say the same about any
religion - billions believe all the major religions as fact but I
believe they are all based around books of stories that have become
accepted as the truth by a very large number of people. It doesn't mean
that they are true!
wow
charles manson is an eco-warior,...
i
at least take comfort that you knew and were, i assume, prepared for
the responses you would get for this piece..... you got stones my
friend,... thats a fact.
i myself am perfectly willing to
listen to a reasoned point of view, and applaud you in being reasoned
in your responses as well,...
but wow,... gota say it,...
if
you can separate the crimes from the Bugliosi Book's spin so as to talk
up the eco-warior status of charles manson,.... you should be in
sales,...
ocean front property on the moon,... used cars in amish country,... etc.
so
charles got the mother earth thing right,.... yea,... hitler was a
master orator and his nazi government were organizational and logistics
wizards,... realy if you can compartmentalize that well,... you can make
that leap with me,... yes?
even a broken clock is right twice a day,....
if
jeffery dahmer wrote and talked about the value of a well ballanced
diet after going to prison,.... that doesnt make him a nutritional
expert.
best of luck my ballsy friend,.... i loved this by the way,... well done,...fantasy,.... but well done fantasy.
(please try and picture the wry smile on my face with the twinkling fire of respect for a fellow shock jock in my eye)
Bard of Ely Hub Author 7 months ago
Thank
you for your feedback! I actually got inspired to put this hub together
because I am writing a book entitled The Dropouts and the starting
point is my recollection of hearing Manson saying that what Timothy
Leary had advised people, namely, turning on, tuning in and dropping out
was a bad idea, and he (Manson) was speaking from experience of having
lived in the world of the drop outs. As one who took Leary's advice I
can see in retrospect that I would have been better off listening to
Manson's advice of not doing this had that advice been available to me. A
point I am making in my book is that most people I knew that dropped
out at the end of the sixties are all dead now. So it's not just his
ecology ideas but other stuff he has said too.
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trecords0 Level 3 Commenter 7 months ago
I
totally agree with your comment on religion and that is a better
senario than the 2 ways I put it. I figure I would have rather used
Frank Zappa as the framework for an ecological article, or even as one
who was against the drop out culture of the hippies. I think he was more
of a radical by becoming accepted by the freaks through his music and
speaking his conservative mind; like a Trojan horse. The Hunter Thompson
story of becoming a Hells Angels also comes to mind. The modern word
for this is embedded. Interesting thoughts BoE. Thanks for getting the
gears going. Tim.
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Bard of Ely Hub Author 7 months ago
Thank
you, Tim! I wanted to write about Manson as he is made reference to in
the book I'm writing and in my hub about it. I am actually still looking
for the exact quote he made about Leary but there are an awful lot of
videos to trawl through and it's probably not that important that I find
it. I write hubs about what I am thinking about. I thought I'd explain
the positive side of Manson. I believe in credit where credit is due. If
something is right it is right. It is not a popularity contest over who
said it or believed it, or it shouldn't be! btw I have mentioned Hunter
S Thompson in my book Herbs of the Northern Shaman in re him talking
about datura in Fear and Loathing and how this led a lot of hippie types
to want to try this very dangerous herb. I speak from experience as one
who did so and survived. Others I know that used the plant are mostly
dead, not killed directly by it but from self-destructive drug usage and
lifestyles! Impressionable and searching minds take info from all sorts
of sources. Some of the info can result in danger to self or others.
Angie Jardine
Hi Bard ... interesting concept for a hub and it would appear that you have opened up a whole can of organic worms here.
I
can't say I find Manson particularly charismatic (either then or now)
as anyone who disrespects women is, in my book, a totally arrogant
idiot. I can't say that I was too impressed by the somewhat needy women
who stood up for him either ... he's just some sort of Svengali cult
leader and there will always be damaged and gullible women who fall for
the spiel of such men.
Leaving aside what he did or did not do
all that time ago ... it is possible to find, and admire, much more
persuasive eco-warriors ... yourself included.
Anyone can rant on
about the destruction of the planet and its animals, anyone can spout
about the environment ... I'm a rabid environmentalist myself. Most of
us who haven't been living in a hole in the ground know we are
destroying our planet and we know how it is being destroyed.
We
also know corporate greed is the driving force behind much of the
destruction of our world and many of us are worried about that and are
trying to do something about it.
But as for Manson ... forget it.
Media feeding frenzy of long ago or not ... he is just not a credible
witness for environmentalism ... and it's unlikely anyone will consider
his testimony relevant.
Woman deserve nor respect, their is not to proclain, only to submit, they have no insight nor powers of discernment. Woman are created with a Vagina, a Black Hole of Ignorance, they only Vampire the Power of the Man. Remember, the Man was created in the Image of the Creator, The Creator, then, made a "HELPER meet for him" from the RIB/ DNA of The Image of Creation. The SERVANT is never permitted to Ascend over the MASTER. When woman talks, they alway preface all their speech with "I Think," or "I 'Feel' like" What these lower order beasts of burden FEEL or THINK is inconsequential to Reality. Woman never shall grasp Reality, they are "Painted Clowns" The Woman's "Painted Lips" are obvious TOTEM of their BLOODY VAGINA. They should be never trained to Read nor Write, and they should be kept in Severe Subjugation in Public. Otherwise the WORLD as we know it Shall be moot.
